How to use biohacking to achieve peak performance

00:00Stop doing the things that make you weak first, then do the things that make you strong. That's the order of almost everything you can do in biohacking. All life follows four basic rules, and this is slime molds, coral, zebrafish, dinosaurs, humans, trees. It doesn't matter. We all do this in our cells, and then we end up rolling it up and becoming aware of it. But it happens before we think. Step one, if something might be scary, run away from, kill, or hide from it. that's because if something eats you, you kind of lost. So this is built into your operating

00:31system before you can think. And that's fear. It's the first F word. Second F word is, oh, by the way, fear gets 10 times more focus and energy than you might want to allocate to it. Second one, five times more energy goes into eat everything. Famine might kill you. So food, you know, fear, food. The other thing that you have to do, if you're a life form, you want to stay around forever that gets about three times more energy than necessary is the other F word. And you know which one I'm talking about. Yeah. We all know that one. Yeah. Yeah. Fertility. That's what you were thinking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. The condensed version of fertility. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. The not four letter version. Right. So that is where in our, in our early twenties, that's where a lot more energy goes. Cause by the time you're in your forties, like, you know, I've done that lots of times. I'm okay. You still need love about now. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Right. And like, I've kind of lost my embarrassment or shame or whatever. Like I'm done. You know, it's all fun. It's a recreational sport now.

01:27out of life or death sport and then the fourth f word is friend and every life form is wired to support things this is why without thinking you'll jump in front of a car to save a small child that isn't yours because you don't have to think because it's in our operating system but since all of these things are in there and they're sucking energy at different times in your 20s the amount of energy that you allocate to fear versus the third effort it's it's higher you have more energy but you generally have more fear because you haven't figured out how to deal with

01:58what's scary what's not scary and that's okay your prefrontal cortex only fully baked when you were 24 25 so there's that but in the meantime so much energy is going to do those other things so if you get your energy up what comes out the other end is you're nicer but you're also a more conscious entrepreneur.

02:42This is Alex Kleanthus and today we're talking with Dave Asprey. He's the founder of Bulletproof. He's a four-time best-selling author and he is known as the father of biohacking, which is a pretty big title. Today, we'll be talking about how to use biohacking to achieve peak performance.

03:15And just quickly, before we get started, make sure to go ahead and hit that subscribe button so you get the latest episodes as soon as they're released. Now, let's get into it. Welcome, Dave. Alex, thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm excited because I've got the books. I've been kind of trying to follow quite a lot of the biohacks and all the advice that you share. And so I'm super interested in a lot of different things that potentially aren't in the books, And especially for the people who maybe haven't consumed the books yet, you know, just to give them the start, the start of the journey into the biohacking land.

03:46But let's start with, you know, just for the listeners who don't know, how would you define biohacking? Biohacking is a, it's a movement in a community. And I started it about 10 years ago. And the definition when I came out with it was the art and science of changing the environment around you and inside of you so that you have full control of your own biology. And since then, Merriam-Webster's added it to the dictionary in 2018. My name's there in the online dictionary, but they tweak the definition to make it more boring.

04:19But the point here is having control of your biology. It's not about monitoring. It's not really about hacking, even though it's in the name. It's about saying, I'm going to do this stuff that lets my body and my mind do what I want. And as entrepreneurs, we want different things than normal people. But whatever it is, it's there for you. And it unites. I want to be the biggest. I want to be the fastest. I want to be the most successful. Whatever you want. It's your body. You do it. So it's anything which you can do to improve your biology, right?

04:51Including the food you eat, the exercise, and then the supplements, right? So it's basically all the things. Well, food and exercise and supplements are, those are pretty easy and obvious ones, but it definitely changed the environment around you. So it turns out changing the light in the environment around you is one of the lowest hanging fruits with the highest ROI. And, you know, who would have thought vibration matters or electromagnetic frequencies? There are bad ones and they're actually good ones that you can use to totally change the state of your brain.

05:22and your friends are part of the environment around you. The color of this, the air, the water, the temperature, these are all variables you can turn up and down and there are certain settings on all those variables where you go, oh my God, I didn't know I even had this much in me. And it's about tweaking those things to make the results you want happen. Same thing in your business, how much you spend on digital marketing versus direct calls or whatever. You tweak those things until like, well, look, the numbers are going up. It's not that hard. It's the same way for the body. So then, okay, let's take a quick example because I really like that challenge of standard thinking, right?

06:02So let's say I have a home office, right? And I want to actually optimize me in that. And you spoke about light and temperature and all that. So what are some settings? So what are some things which you can do to optimize? eyes. One of the most important things you can do is recognize that your eyes are actually an extension of your brain. And if you don't take care of them, your brain gets tired. You have sugar cravings and you feel like crap at the end of the day. So my monitor where I'm looking at you is five feet away from me. It's a 55 inch TV. That's my primary monitor. My secondary monitor

06:35is three feet away from me. It's over here, right out there. There are trees. There's some 20 feet away, some 100 feet away, and some on Salt Spring Island, two miles away. So I changed my depth of field. I also have surrounding lighting that is not harsh. If you're under an LED light right now, which it looks like you are on your left side, that is trashing your vision. If I was sitting next to you, I'd have on, this is one of my companies, so this is a blatant pitch. These are the TrueDark glasses. These things block 75% of blue light, but not all of it, because if you

07:07wear blue blockers during the day, you will trash your biology, and they don't do enough at night, So you switch to a different lens for when you're going to sleep. But the idea here is you're going to be tired at the end of this interview. I've got halogen bulbs behind diffusers on both sides of me. So my lighting is good, but it doesn't make me tired. And I can do this all day, every day. This is my fourth interview today, two I've conducted and two I've been the interviewee of, and I'm still going strong. It's about the lighting. It's about not having eye strain. It's about changing my depth of focus.

07:37That's just one thing. Okay. And what about temperature? Yeah, the temperature. Temperature during the day, there's some things you can do that will give you hours of energy and endorphins. Very brief cold exposure, a cold shower. I've been an advocate of this for more than 10 years. At the end of your shower, do one minute of cold water hitting your forehead and your chest. And doing a very brief exposure like that, the first three days you do this, you're going to swear at me. The first day will be eight seconds, maybe 10 before you jump out.

08:09the next day, 2030, the next day you'll go a minute and you'll still say Dave Asprey's a jerk. And the fourth day you'll do it and you'll come out and go, that wasn't bad at all. And now I feel great. And it's because you're actually manipulating part of the lining of your mitochondria that make electricity. It takes three days of brief cold exposure to change what's called cardiolipin in the cells. You don't have to know the science. You have to know this practice, practice with somewhat regularity equals more energy throughout the day. Huh? That's probably worth doing. Right. And then you look at, Oh, well, I was going to drink coffee every day.

08:42Like heaven forbid, I put some butter in there instead of milk and I put some MCT oil. You know, I've created a multi-billion dollar industry with stuff like that. Wow. You mean I got a better outcome from my coffee than I did when I put crappy milk and other stuff in there. Okay. And I use coffee that was moldy. You were going to do it anyway. I just made a cleaner product that had some energy enhancing things instead of energy reducing things in it. So small changes, habits you already do. And those are a couple of things, skipping breakfast. You can go to

09:12fastestway.com and most recent book. I think you had that in your stack as an entrepreneur. Okay. You wake up, you can take some time, you cook yourself some eggs or make yourself some fancy dumb green smoothie that probably is giving you kidney stones. If you put kale in it, uh, and then you drink it. I like how you challenge everything, by the way, You're literally challenging all the latest, hippest, coolest, you know, things. Sorry, keep going. I only talk about what works. And by the way, I was a raw vegan for a long time.

09:42It's not, I never challenged things unless I've tried them and punched myself in the face a few times and figured out, oh, that doesn't work. So you do all that stuff. Now you're out 10 bucks on some kind of vegetable stuff and you spend some time, you did some dishes and then 10 a.m. rolls around and you're really hungry anyway. So then you eat the muffin that someone brought into the office because no one can subsist on that kind of crap for breakfast. That wasn't a win. Now, if you do what I'm talking about with intermittent fasting, you wake up, you're going to have probably coffee anyway. So you can have black coffee or maybe you put the butter and stuff in. It still counts as a fast.

10:13But then when your metabolism works, you don't have any cravings for food. You don't think about the muffin. Someone sets it in front of you and you actually don't want to eat it. And then noon rolls around. And instead of I will die if I don't have tacos, I'm so hungry. I'm starving. like actually I guess I could eat I don't really have time maybe I'll eat a little bit later I'm just going to power through this and it's because you have more energy so if there's one thing you could do in the morning the return on investment is let's see the return was I before I had to spend some amount of money and time and energy on breakfast none of that so I got paid up front for

10:47the investment and the first bout of interest payment was all morning long I had more energy than if I ate something for breakfast and then long term my metabolism improves so this is one of those investments where you walk into the bank and they pay you when you walk in the door and then they give you interest on what they paid you and then they give you a long-term interest on what they paid you but you never had to put money down so this is a really good deal for entrepreneurs so i teach stuff like that in all of my work and that's a manipulation of the timing of energy and the reason that works and the reason many of the things that i teach works is if you just go

11:21back 2 billion years ago when there were some single-celled organisms floating around, some kind of a cell. We think it was a parasite. And another cell, an ancient bacteria, rod-shaped now called mitochondria. And we tell ourselves, oh, the cells were floating around. They saw the mitochondria. They used the mitochondria as a mobile energy source. The reality is a bit more complex. The mitochondria were floating around and they saw these cells like, look, mobile Petri dish. So these guys moved in and they took over and they're still running things because they're environmental sensors.

11:52They make electrons and make energy. They make hormones and they make inflammation and they make signaling molecules. So they're factories and they're environmental sensors that make what's necessary based on what dumb little bacteria see in the world around them. Well, how do they know what time of day it is? Because they need to know you have a trillion of them. They all need to work together. They look for the intensity and angle of the sun at noon. It's above you. It's the brightest light. There's the most algae to eat between noon and 2 p.m. There's no sunset or sundown or sunset or sunrise.

12:25So you don't have much of that sideways red lighting. And it's warmest during that time period. So if you shape your temperature that way, then what happens is magically all of the systems in your body are rowing at the same time in the same direction. And you get much better biological performance. The biggest signal is light. The second biggest signal is food. And the third biggest is temperature. So you manipulate those variables in your environment, especially around sleep. And it works great. One of the biggest things that ruined me as an entrepreneur when I was young is I'd like

12:58to stay up late. So you're staring at screens, you're reading under bright light, you brush your teeth in the bathroom. All those things are just terrible. So what I do now is I have dimmer switches. I dim the lights after the sun goes down. I eat before the sun goes down. I don't eat after the sun goes down. And if I'm going to be exposed to exterior lighting, you know, stuff, if I'm going to be in a hotel or something, I'll wear the sleep glasses that my company TrueDark makes. Because when I wear those, my brain perceives that it's dark because certain frequencies

13:29of light just don't count as part of what the sun makes. If you have one green or blue LED in your bedroom, or if you have the amount of light that leaks around curtains in the average city, your chances of depression go up by 69%. That's from a study of 800 men out of Japan. It's like, well, you are going to sleep anyway, right? Maybe you could have functional blackout curtains and you could either unplug or tape over all the little blinky shit in your bedroom. These are simple things every entrepreneur should be doing because they're one-time changes

14:06and they provide a continuous return on energy versus a return on investment. And so these are all things that are just the things which you can just change within the environment, right? And it's within the home and it's a time that you eat. So it's better to eat like in the daytime and to follow the heat of the sun. So just on that point, with the heat of the son, but does that mean that the air con in the middle of the day should be a bit hotter than in

14:36the evening? But have you optimized the scheduling of your air con? Let me ask you the question. Is that what you do? Yeah. It should be, but it doesn't matter as much during the day. Got it. What matters though is at night and it's cooler. Yeah. In the first half of the night, if it's substantially cooler, even if you have to use blankets, then you'll get much more deep sleep. And in the second half of the night, if it's warm enough and not too cold, not too hot, you'll get more dreams. So what I do is I have a couple of different devices that change the

15:09temperature of my mattress. So it automatically changes itself. I get more sleep, more quality sleep is in more dream sleep or more deep sleep for hormones in six and a half hours. Then even someone half my age gets in eight hours of sleep. So my sleep efficiency is off the charts. and what is that tool or that thing for the mattress what that's called um there's a couple different brands i was an investor and advisor in a company called called uh chili uh so chili sleep makes a really good one and there's a newer company called eight sleep that also makes one

15:42and there's pros and cons with both uh they're both awesome eight sleep has very good sleep monitoring technology as well to tell you how well you did and what i do now is i always wear an aura ring and mine's recharging right now. Awesome. And the aura ring, I'm also an investor advisor to aura. It's a powerful technology for just telling you what's, how am I doing? And most entrepreneurs, we're looking at our daily income, you know, how's our ad campaign performing when you wake up, am I recovered or am I not? Like, did I screw up my sleep? Did I have alcohol the

16:14night before? Oh, look what that did. You know, did I have a midnight snack? Yeah. Did I watch TV till late at night? Yeah. Did I forget to turn down my phone when I was looking at Instagram before I went to bed, even though I'm not, no, I'm not supposed to. Yeah. And that's all it takes looking at a bright phone for even a minute. It tells the light timing sensors in your eyes called melanopsin sensors. Oh, look, nothing in nature makes that white light. It must be daytime. So now the brain thinks it's daytime and the liver thinks it's nighttime and they're not rowing in the same direction. So all this is Alex every day, take 30 pounds of air and some amount of food and

16:51you mix them together to make electricity. And if you are fantastic at doing that, you have a ton of energy. And then if you waste less of it throughout the day, you have even more energy. And the more energy you have, the more free energy you have after you've gone through all this stuff, then the more longevity benefits you get, but also you're a nicer person because you have enough energy to run willpower and to not yell at your kids and your co-workers and everything else it's it's amazing how stop doing the things that make you weak first then do the things that make

17:24you strong that's the order of almost everything you can do in biohacking and it seems that um like this conversation about the energy levels of somebody becomes a lot more important as soon as somebody hits their 30s right it feels like in your 20s you can literally just push through you You can work for 10, 20 hours a day, no problem. But then there comes the point, you know, like I'm doing that for a decade or more that all of a sudden you can't stay there just as much at that peak for just as like,

17:54in terms of the same amount of time. And is this the solution to that? I'm 43. You're 43, okay. So I'm 28%. So I'm going to live to 180. So you can do the math. But I think in terrestrial years, I'm something like 49. I actually think in percentages because I do not identify as being 49. Yeah, sure. And so we're going to come back to that because that is something I do want to talk about. But at the end, after we've set the context of everything. Right.

18:26But let me go back to the point on that, Alex, because you're saying that as a 43 year old, OK, I'm 49. There are enormous numbers of people. And I talk with a lot of people, listen to my show and all who are in their 20. In fact, it's one of the biggest groups who appreciates biohacking. They are not full of energy the way you remember being. They are tired. They have brain fog. They're exhausted. They're having a hard time sleeping. They don't feel like they slept when they woke up.

18:56And it is endemic. It's a major change. You're not supposed to be tired. You're supposed to be able to drink Monday. Or sorry, not Monday. You take Monday off. But basically Tuesday through Saturday night, you're supposed to drink every single night and still pass your classes in college. Right. Okay. That's how it's supposed to be. I didn't have that in my twenties cause I hit 300 pounds and my biology didn't work, but it's not like that anymore. So there were a few people who can just do it, but they're like the exception, not the rule. So this is something for entrepreneurs at every age. The difference is your focus. So in your twenties, you are wired to care about

19:30certain things more than others. And the number one thing in your twenties, I don't know, can I talk about the, the four F words real quick? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. All right. so all life we talked about the timing system with the sun well all life follows four basic rules and this is slime molds coral zebrafish dinosaurs humans trees it doesn't matter we all do this in our cells and then we end up rolling it up and becoming aware of it but it happens before we think step one if something might be scary run away from kill or hide from it

20:04that's because if something eats you you're kind of lost so this is built into your operating system before you can think. And that's fear. It's the first F word. Second F word is, oh, by the way, fear gets 10 times more focus and energy than you might want to allocate to it. Second one, five times more energy goes into eat everything. Famine might kill you. So food, you know, fear, food. The other thing that you have to do if you're a life form, you want to stay around forever, that gets about three times more energy than necessary is the other F word. And you know,

20:34which one I'm talking about. Yeah. We all know that one. Yeah. Yeah. Fertility. That's what you were thinking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. The condensed version of fertility. Yeah, got it. Yeah. The not four letter version, right? So that is where in our, in our early 20s, that's where a lot more energy goes. Cause by the time you're in your forties, like, you know, I've done that lots of times. I'm okay. You still need love to laugh about now. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Right. And like, I've kind of lost my embarrassment or shame or whatever. Like I'm done. You know, it's all fun. It's a recreational sport now, not a life or death sport. And then

21:07the fourth f word is friend and every life form is wired to support things this is why without thinking you'll jump in front of a car to save a small child that isn't yours because you don't have to think because it's in our operating system but since all of these things are in there and they're sucking energy at different times in your 20s the amount of energy that you allocate to fear versus the third f word it's it's higher you have more energy but you generally have more fear because you haven't figured out how to deal with what's scary what's not scary and that's okay your prefrontal cortex only fully baked when you were 24, 25. So there's that. But in the meantime,

21:42so much energy is going to do those other things. So if you get your energy up, what comes out the other end is you're nicer, but you're also a more conscious entrepreneur. Otherwise, you tend to be one of like the stereotypical, and I'm not going to name the two multi-billionaire guys who started their companies in their early 20s and are well known for being, especially when they were young, pretty much douchebags, right? And they're not the first ones. There's people who started their companies and they were 25 from our generation and the one before that. And generally speaking, they, they, they skipped some steps, but if they have more energy, that energy goes into developing

22:14themselves as they grow big companies. But if your energy is limited, it just goes into the company and you don't evolve as a human being. And then you look like commander data and you know, you, you make weird decisions that ruin society, not naming anyone in particular who is censoring what we say right now or anything like that. I would never do that. Sure. And so that's really interesting because I do remember, you know, back when I was in my 20s, I mean, that was before Facebook anyway, right? So like I wasn't stuck to my screen all day. And so like I'm not even sure on, you know, what that is actually kind of affecting or kind of how that's affecting the younger professionals

22:48and the younger entrepreneurs because that's kind of not how I started. But it's a super interesting point that you want to really kind of optimize the day, the light, the temperature, the food and that's kind of something that everybody can do like we're not even talking about like the advanced kind of stuff that i that i'd like to touch on at the very end of this um but it's kind of just to to recognize the environment right can we talk quickly about sleep because the one thing yes is that i i mean forever and i think i just um kind of spoke with

23:22like a second ago about like i could just work from 6 a.m till midnight every day and then go for dinner at 12 30 a.m and then go to the gym and then sleep for four hours and then so on and then i started to learn about sleep and how it really changes how productive the brain is and how much sleep is required right and so but then i purchased the ura ring right and i was like wow time in bed is not time of sleep that was the first big realization right and then i also

23:53realized how much more I productive if I get the right amount of sleep right now can you talk about the impacts of sleep and you know what is the right amount of sleep to get for you know specific individuals or not absolutely I've been tracking my sleep for 15 years and when I started out I would get five minutes of deep sleep and five minutes of REM sleep every night I always get between one and a half and two hours of deep

24:23or and one and a half to two hours of REM sleep. And I sleep an average of six hours and 28 minutes. And I have that number as an average over the last eight years. So I think it's a pretty good number. I'm just checking my sleep right now to see just what I did last night. Last night, the REM sleep was an hour and 18 and the deep sleep was an hour six. And I was asleep for five hours 50. So is that good? Okay, that's actually pretty good for under six hours of sleep. Okay. Because if you'd gotten a little more sleep, did you go to bed late or wake up early?

24:55Which one was it? Both. Got it. Well, I went to bed a bit later than standard. So that's probably what it was because I wake up about 5 a.m. every day anyway. Okay. So if you go to bed late, it comes out of deep sleep. And that's where your testosterone, your growth hormone, your physical regeneration comes. And then if you wake up earlier than you wanted to, that comes out of your REM sleep. And REM sleep is where the mental regeneration, memory consolidation, and things like that happen. So if you say had a night where you had a ton of deep and almost no REM, you'll probably still not feel right in the head, but you might physically feel good.

25:28And if likewise, you had no deep sleep, but you had a good amount of REM sleep, say, well, I had a lot of dreams like that, but I'm still I'm kind of tired. But your brain might work better. So it's a it's a nuanced and kind of weird difference. But the timing matters. One of the biggest things you can do, don't eat after the sun goes down or at least don't eat within three hours of bedtime. And I mean, no snacks, no nothing. That is a huge variable for me. There was two things that controlled my deep sleep. One of them is the timing of the meal.

26:00And the other one is lighting. So I always wear my TrueDark sleep glasses. I'm just looking for my pair. They're over there and across. Can you get them so that people can actually see? I'll show you. Give me one sec. Yeah, yeah, please. I want to be really clear. These are not blue blocking glasses. Blue blocking glasses are kind of stupid. It's a 1970s technology. We know there's four colors and two other variables of light that control sleep. And blocking blue light during the day stops you from waking up. And you can block some of it, but if you block all of it, you're in trouble. And at night, blue blockers are just an ancient technology.

26:32So these are called true dark glasses. And I know I look like I'm in training to be a rock star, but these are controlling all five variables of the light. And you can still watch TV. The colors are odd at first, but your brain adjusts, and after a little while, you're fine. You can still use your phone, but this doubles my deep sleep and it causes measurable EEG changes in your brain. I run a neuroscience institute that trains entrepreneurs brains, you know, five day intensive brain upgrade kind of thing. It's called 40 years of Zen. So I can do neuroscience level studies on people's brains on my true dark glasses.

27:05And I will tell you those things work and they're very different than just generic blue blockers. So that light thing, plus the meal, I get my hour and a half to two hours of deep. And your goal should be at least an hour and a half, unless here's the thing. If you're in really good physical shape, I'm in pretty good shape. My cardio isn't fantastic, but I'm, you know, a 12% body fat. I carry a decent amount of muscle mass. I also have the genetics for that. I'm like the Viking sort of thing. So I don't have to work as hard as some people to put on muscle. In fact,

27:36it's stupid because pants don't fit me half the time. Same by the way, same, both ways to the muscle or it's fat. So I like, I focus on the muscle, but, but if I don't focus on it, the fat goes fast, you know? I'll tell you, I still have all the stretch marks when I was fat. So it wasn't always, it wasn't always as effortless as it is now. But what, what you find is that if you're in good shape and you didn't do anything strenuous that day, you'll get less deep sleep. So some really fit people's stress. I only got 40 minutes of deep sleep. It's like your body didn't need

28:07physical recovery. You didn't do anything hard today. And that's okay. You shouldn't do something too hard every day. A heavy workout every day is bad for you. A heavy workout every three days is probably ideal. In fact, my newest company, Upgrade Labs, where I'm focused, we're franchising right now and finishing a fundraise. It's all about this idea that you and me probably don't want to work out but if i can give you if i can give you muscles in one third the time and i can do your cardiovascular stuff eight times faster and in the extra time i can train your brain and train

28:40your metabolism would you do it then yes with an roi yeah well i didn't even think about that of course of course like i always said the person who figures out how to help people become the best version of themselves without them actually having to move that much will become a trillionaire Cause it's literally what everyone wants in the world. You know, it not only works, we have the technology there to measure what's happening and show you that it's working as we do it. So there's no argument about it. You look different, you feel different,

29:10you think different and all of it's quantifiable. It's like, okay, that was worth it. But if instead I do a caveman do, I picked up rocks or plates. It doesn't really matter. Or, you know, I ran from tigers or, you know, you run a spinning class. It's kind of the same thing. It sucks to do it. And having someone yapping at you and playing music you don't like probably doesn't help either if you're an entrepreneur. Maybe it helps. Some people clearly love it. But most of them, they love that as much as they love kale. They actually don't like it. They just told themselves they like it because they thought they had to to feel good and be a good person.

29:43It's not true. Like, you can spend way less time and get more results. That's what I want to do. And so, can we just touch on that just quickly? Sure. You just mentioned before, there's a thing which you do with entrepreneurs where you upgrade them. How do you upgrade them just out of interest? What is like kind of high level the approach? 40 years of Zen has helped more than a thousand entrepreneurs. And this is a five day intensive 10 hours a day with neuroscientists. I've actually custom built hardware and software to improve brain performance. So we use some clinical grade studies of your brain.

30:16And then we show you your strengths and weaknesses. we set that aside. You spend three days learning how to turn off inappropriate alerts. Like if your cell phone's constantly blinking and buzzing, your brain has so many of those you don't even know. It's a structured personal development technique that I came up with in conjunction with neuroscience. So we're showing you a brain state. You go in and say, I don't like it that my brain does this. You learn how to cancel that out permanently to just turn it off. And as you do that, the amount of electricity that your brain wastes goes down.

30:49So there's more energy available to do new states that you didn't know you could do. And the end result is your brain can do what it normally would take 20 plus years of daily meditation to do. And then the final two days is like taking your car to a racing mechanic. This is where we can increase neuron firing speed. We can turn up or turn down other connections inside the brain so that your brain handles the way you want it to handle. it's uh i've spent six months of my life doing this that's why i started the company years ago it was mostly because i wanted this from my own brain there's no way i'd be able to do a podcast

31:24with more than a quarter billion downloads multiple new york times bestsellers six companies i've one of my companies has done 500 plus million in revenue i'm a dad and blah blah blah and i could brag all day long i wasn't always like that i'm smart yeah you know i've had an early success in my career in Silicon Valley, but I never could do this. It's because I got my energy production system working really well. My energy wasting system doesn't work very well. And then I did the software upgrade by turning off a bunch of crappy alerts that didn't do anything. Well, now it's easier. It's still work, but it's easier.

31:56Okay. And thank you for sharing that. And the franchise thing that you spoke about, yeah, like, is that going to come to Australia anytime soon? Or is it going to focus on the US first and just start there? It's going to start in the US, but it will, well, I would like to say it will definitely come to Australia, but I'm not sure that Australia, between the barbed wire fences around the outside of the country right now, I'm not sure that they'll be allowed to. It's even between states right now. There's barbed wire between states outside. Okay. Well, hopefully, assuming that anyone is allowed to go to Australia and it's not just a penal colony again.

32:32Forever. Yeah. A penal colony. I can't believe I said that. That was Freudian. I love it. No, that part's good. So, okay. So now we're talking about the environment and all the things which somebody can do for free pretty much, except for the glasses, which they should buy. And I'm going to get some after this show. True darks. Yeah, okay. That's right. And then so from there, right? Let's say that I want to now improve my thinking, right?

33:03and like I've done all of this basic stuff now, right? So I'm sleeping well, I'm fasting in the morning and so on. The food is correct. You know, I've got all that stuff. And now I'm trying to go to that next level of performance in terms of my thinking. And I'll start with thinking first, like, and then we'll speak about the body second, right? But for thinking. Now you say the word biohacking and people think of the Bradley Cooper movie called Limitless, right? Where they took a pill and all of a sudden it could learn languages and so on. And you do talk about some of the things in a superhuman, but you know, what are the things that someone can do to improve the ability to

33:39think and to get stuff done? That's hard, you know, to stay focused, to be strong in the brain, right? What are those things? Let's just call it what it is. Um, the drug for limitless is actually called modafinil. And I took modafinil every day for eight years. It is how I went to Wharton while working full time at a company in Silicon Valley, we sold for $600 million. It improved my meditation practice. It taught my brain how to function at a much faster speed

34:09than a muggle. And yeah, now I sound like an arrogant asshole and I think that's okay. I'm not trying to, it changed my life. Then again, I used to have Asperger's syndrome and ADHD, and I probably would have dropped out of a business school if I hadn't taken it. Cause I don't think my brain would have worked well enough. And I did take it under a doctor's advised. I did a radioactive sugar brain scan with Dr. Daniel Amen, who's a dear friend. And the psychiatrist who first evaluated this thought I was one of those college students,

34:39even though I was in my thirties, hitting them up for Adderall so I could, you know, get more study drugs. But I wasn't. And he saw the scan. He said, Dave, I don't even know how you're standing here in front of me inside your brain is total chaos. The studies on this drug, and I was on Nightline, the ABC show talking about it. And I was the only one who wouldn't like wear a bag on my head. I'm like, I'll talk about this. Yes. I doped during business school. Like I'm, I'm okay with that. And it worked. I don't take it every day. In fact, I rarely take it because my brain doesn't need it. I run like that all the time. My actual brain response time before I think about something,

35:11just when my brain notices things, it is the average response time for an 18 year old, not a 49 year old. And that is something that is not a willpower thing. That is an automated system thing. It's just from having a very young brain because of things like that. And from learned from teaching it to work at those speeds. Modafinil was a part of that. So if you are desperate, you have jet lag, you need to do it. Pretty much everyone should have this. You don't drink with it. Five out of a million people can have a life threatening skin condition come out the same as

35:44they would from taking ibuprofen. So there's a small genetic thing that there's a slight risk to it, but generally it's pretty safe. It increases intelligence in studies. It's one of the best studied smart drugs with the most evidence for it. In fact, your odds of having a bad side effect from that are slightly higher than the odds of a child under 12 dying from COVID. So by the way, they drown more often than they die from COVID. There's that. But of course, that's an age range

36:15thing and children under 12 don't take modafinol so it's maybe not a good comparison but i'm just saying it's relatively safe in the overall world uh compared to alcohol i would say even and do you have to go do a doctor to have it or is it available yes well most people just order it online but that's because the doctor someone writes you a script and when you go to the doctor you say i have shift worker sleep disorder because it's a narcolepsy drug and then they usually will give it to you but if you come in and say i want to perform like the limitless drug then they So you have to use Wikipedia to know what to say to learn nine languages like right now. So can I,

36:49and this stuff, it's the, it's the drug. I mean, it, you'll take it and go, Oh my God, why is everyone around me so slow? Right. The problem is that if you're already a jerk, it will make you a bigger, faster jerk. And so you've got to be more aware of impatience because literally everyone around you looks dumb when you take it. And so if that pisses you off, you will be a pissed off person so you have to you have to sit with how big of a jerk you are so that's one thing the other thing and i'm just going to say it because it will have zero impact on my life if every listener of your show does or does not drink bulletproof coffee okay in fact i

37:23don't even work for bulletproof anymore i'm starting another company um actually does a different kind of coffee um so this is not about me trying to sell you something but i will tell you that if you take a clean coffee and you put butter and you put MCT oil, the C8 MCT, which I've taught everyone to do. You see it in stores now. No one called it C8. That's all original Dave stuff. You do that and you blend it up. It reliably and repeatably helps the world's highest performers, like half of Hollywood, half of the recording industry, most pro athletes, huge numbers of

37:58entrepreneurs. Jack Dorsey and I tweeted about it years ago. I mean, it's out there and it's reliably used by the titans of industry across industries and wall street. And so it works. And I'm, I'm not saying that's right. Just, I'm telling you right now, if you've never done something as stupid as taking good coffee, putting butter instead of milk, no sugar, and some of this MCT oil and blending it up, that will reliably for 90% of people make you go, that was the best day I've had a long time. And that's the success of, of that,

38:29one of my portfolio companies. It's because it worked. So I'm just, I have to tell you that out of, you know, belief. There's also strategies for mitochondrial enhancement. And this is some of the stuff that I do at 40 years in my brain clinic. Some of the supplements I formulated when I was at Bulletproof and a variety of other things. So there's in my books, I talk about how to do this. Headstrong is the book that tells you the most about all of the limitless drugs. And the other one. This is going to make half of your listeners, Alex, going to get pissed at me for saying this.

39:01I think it's the second most studied smart drug, if not the most studied smart drug. Okay. So we already hit caffeine and coffee is number one. Modafinil, not that well studied. I mean, it's got 50 studies, but it's not crazy. It's nicotine. Nicotine. Smoking is terrible for you. Don't smoke. Don't chew tobacco. Tobacco use bad. But pharmaceutical grade nicotine, We have known since 1986, it reverses Alzheimer's disease. And I interviewed, I call him Dr. Nicotine on my podcast on the human upgrade show.

39:33So what? Yes, you can take nicotine in a patch or a lozenge, one milligram, along with that cup of coffee I just described, and maybe with a hundred milligrams of modafinil. And you will actually feel like Bradley Cooper. So if you're an entrepreneur and you just need to have the best day of your life, that is the best day of your life. so is that a hatch that will just have the one meal or is it like something which you can put into the coffee? Like, you know, you don't put it in the coffee. The most effective thing,

40:03and I believe you can buy these in Australia. Are you most of your listeners there? Are you global? There's a majority in Australia, but there's like quite a lot. Pretty sure you can get a spray that goes under your tongue. That hits you the fastest. Nicorette makes it. It's approved in most of the world, not the U S it's approved here in Canada where I live. So that works one spray. you can get mini lozenges which are and you take half one of those which is one or two milligrams they have some bad sweeteners in them all the gums that you can get in australia are full of crappy sweeteners they'll make you dumb don't take those okay and then you can use the patch

40:34the patch is long acting but the quick hit from the spray is the one that'll work but you need to meter it if you if you have a thing in your pocket you'll just keep spraying after a while i mean i use nicotine one to three milligrams a day for seven years straight these are very safe doses a cigarette is 20 milligrams and these are anti-aging doses and eventually i'm like i love this stuff and i'll just spray it all the time and like you know this is probably bad so i went to using a patch because the patch is slow delivery and i take about four milligrams a day which is appropriate for 50 plus and what about vaping because vaping has taken the world by

41:10Can I swear? Yeah, you can swear. Vaping is fucking stupid. Okay. All right. The flavoring additives and the stuff they put in there makes it more addictive than smoking. And smoking is highly addictive because of flavorings and things like that. So vaping is provably harmful to you. It's just a bad thing to do. If you really want to do something like that, put on your I've been to Dubai hat and do the shisha, where at least you're smoking, but they run it through cold water, like you would a water bong

41:42for pot. But seriously, just take a little bit of nicotine stuff and put it in your, you know, between your gum, they have little packets. Pharmaceutical nicotine is not tobacco. Vaping is bad news, like very bad news, especially when we have COVID going around. It's a respiratory thing. Like, come on, don't be dumb. But I've had COVID. I recovered just fine. I'm immune and all that, whatever. But seriously, don't smack yourself in the lungs with vaping. Got it. Okay. Thank you for that. Cause I had to ask that because it's just everywhere right now and there's no real studies about it. Right. So, um, we know a lot about those, about the, the things that allow

42:17it to vape easily. They're way, way more addictive than nicotine by itself. The washout period for nicotine is three days. Same as coffee. It's all the other crap. That's hard to give up just like diet soda. It's not the caffeine that's addictive. It's the aspartame that's addictive and we know it is. So industry will do bad things to you if you let them. And then from the, um, the brain function, Are there things which you should avoid? Yes, there's these things which you can take, but is there like as a first step? Remove these things from your diet if you can or from your consumption. Alcohol is bad for your brain. I don't care.

42:48Oh, but I like wine. You might like heroin too. It doesn't matter if you like it. It is bad for you. You shouldn't do it. In fact, in any quantity, a tiny dose of heroin is actually an anti-aging substance. There's part of that in my anti-aging book. So take that back about heroin. But wine, I'm sorry. alcohol is just bad for you even that i'm just gonna have one glass measure your sleep for a week and try it with and without alcohol and watch what it does alcohol shrinks and ages the brain increases cancer risk it's just bad for you i'm sorry i don't want it to be it's just bad for you

43:18it is not worth it if you're a high performer you owe it to yourself to say i only drink alcohol older than me and then your budget will limit what you drink and you're fine okay that's how it works yeah yeah and there's some things you can do when you drink to help to minimize the damage but really it's never worth it. The second thing, and also I'm, I apologize. You're all going to hate me for this. Fried foods are worse for you than smoking a cigarette. If you eat a plate of French fries, you're going to have two days of inflammation throughout your body. It's going to damage your cell membranes. If you smoke a cigarette, you have about eight hours of

43:52inflammation. Now I think they're both dumb, but if I had the choice, I, I don't do it. I would not eat fried stuff, especially at restaurants, the liquid seed oils that are all over our diet. That's why you're getting diabetes and cancer. You cut out the bad oils, don't eat fried stuff, especially at restaurants where they reuse the oil. Your brain will work better for a very long time. Um, those are the worst things. And people say sugar is the worst thing. Sugar is not that good for you, but your brain actually likes sugar. So I'd much rather see you have a scoop of ice cream after dinner than have the French fries for dinner. It's like not that bad of a thing. It's

44:26not that good either but it's okay okay cool thank you for that that's oh and kale kale makes you dumb we have to say that just really yes yeah well uh i'm just conscious of time and i want to give you so many things so let's just there's stuff in your books right and i think everyone like is getting an idea of how how complex this can get right but let's now jump to kind of to health and aging you all right have publicly put it out there that you will live to 180 and So you're 29% right now. That's what I asked you before.

44:57You know, so what are the things which you're doing from your physical self kind of outside of the, the stuff that we've spoken about so far that makes you confident that this is going to happen? The summary of this is my book, Superhuman, which is, it's got all the stuff in there. Step one, thank you. So you've read it. Step one is don't die. There's four things that are going to kill you. And none of them is COVID by the way. Yeah. One of them, the most likely is diabetes because it's a precursor for everything else. And this is something 80% of people are getting this.

45:28I mentioned those bad oils. That's a part of it. So don't get diabetes. It can kill you. Don't get cardiovascular disease. It can kill you. Don't get cancer. It can kill you. And don't get Alzheimer's disease. If you avoid those four things, you're probably going to live longer than most people. So let's start with avoiding those. And a lot of the stuff we talked about is going to get you there. Then there's seven primary causes of aging. And if you look at, say, maintaining a car, well, you're saying, well, I rotate the tires

45:58every however many kilometers. Therefore, I maintain my car. You go, I wonder why it's quit. Well, you also have to change the transmission fluid and the oil, and you do a maintenance schedule for different systems at different times. The body is like that. And we know the seven primary causes of aging. And there are practices you can do that are free. Some that cost 50 bucks and some that cost tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And I did all of those for that book. So I've had stem cells injected in every joint of my body and I've had them injected into my cerebral spinal fluid and my spinal columns that go into my

46:31brain. I've had them injected in my male reproductive equipment. And I mean, all sorts of things like that, that you can do. So I just want to make it really clear. You don't have to do all that stuff. I'm exploring the very cutting edge of this. Here's the real thing. Today, we have 120 20 year olds alive, not that many of them, but that's our current best. Okay. They couldn't spell DNA because it hadn't been invented. World War II, when they were alive a hundred years ago was fought with horses

47:03and biplanes. Okay. Like, do you know if there were no antibiotics, they would put honey and sugar or maybe ozone if it was highly advanced, right? We didn't even have public sanitation. I mean, it was a whole different world yet. They're alive. Now, I just think 100 years from now, much less 130, 140 years from now, if we can't do 50% better than today's best, given how easy it is for us to have this conversation, machine learning, artificial intelligence, the internet,

47:35if we can't do better, it's because a comet hit the planet or because we let Monsanto and big agriculture destroy our topsoil so we had nothing to eat. That's about 60 years away if we don't start bringing cows back into nature. so we got to solve like the ocean problem and the soil problem over that time frame those are the risks to not living to 180 but and just making sure a truck doesn't hit me i drive a heavy vehicle that's my other anti-aging strategy that's awesome and i think you know now because you've got another 71 left um you need to really think about the future of the world because you know you can

48:09live to 180 but but i mean how's the world going to look and you know oftentimes i think that people just you know they think that's for the next generation or that's for the generation after the next one but it sounds like you're going to be here for a few generations um that's the it's the downside or the upside of having more of our elders around most of what i've learned i've learned from people two and three times my age i remember when i was 26 i had a board member for the anti-aging non-profit that they asked me to run he was 88 and he had more energy than i did

48:41I'm like, how does he do that? He ended up when, um, uh, when a couple of years after his wife passed away, he was dating and in love with a 36 year old who loved him back. Right. Okay. You can say dirty old man, whatever. No, he just had the young person's energy and you know, there was real love there. Right. And okay. If that's even possible, which it should not have been possible given what I believe when I was 26, it blew my mind that you could be like that when you're old. And he taught me so much. His name was Mike. and what I realized is that if you're going to be here for 150 years, you are not going to pee in

49:19the sandbox because you know you're going to play in it again. You're not putting the plastic wrapper in the ocean and you can start looking at 50 and 75 year problems instead of four year election cycles and you realize those are for chumps and when you see what's happening in the world today, I'm sorry, I was around in 2001 and I was an adult and I saw all the power grabs they did back then. And I see what they're doing again. And all of the people who have functioning brains as they age are sitting there going, we're not going to let you do this garbage. You might be able to fool someone who's 20 or 25 because they actually believed in the

49:50goodness of certain things that actually are usually not good. And so you end up getting the elders whose job is to shake a stick and say, that's not okay. And we need wisdom back in the world. So I, anytime I can talk to someone twice my age, I'm all in. I think there's a couple of points there. I think the first one is, and this is something which I came across a few years ago, is that, you know, when you think of someone who's in their 70s, like there's a certain kind of, it's like the picture of like an older person who's a frail and this, but then there's this

50:24example of someone that's in their 70s that's fully cut, that's like completely in shape. And I think that the majority of people have this vision of themselves at an older age and it's frail and i think changing that and having a look at some people out there that are actually really fit and they're in their 90s in their 80s can really start to change the vision because that vision that has an impact on your subconscious mind and what you do right and i think oh it's a super fabulous like point you know there that's why i'm that 28 29 i don't see myself

50:55as 49 in fact there are a lot of people particularly north america who get very upset when you ask them to identify their gender because they want a list of like 47 things why is it okay in a survey that i have to identify my my chronological age because my biological age is quantifiably better than my chronological age if you measure me i'm at least five years behind you measure at least five years younger than so i'm sorry that must be ageist so i identify as someone who's going to

51:27live to at least 180 and I identify as someone who's 28%. And how dare you ask me for my actual numbers? That's just not okay. I love it. I love it. So I got to ask it, right? I got the father of biohacking on the podcast. We're in probably, you know, you know, one of the most challenging times that I've experienced in my entire life, you know, with the whole thing happening across the world with COVID and, you know, you know, what is being done in, I guess, like in the name of COVID, what are your thoughts on COVID? And, you know, what are some of the biohacks maybe or things which you, you know, kind of have done it yourself, you know, um, in context of, because

52:01I know before, like you said that, um, you've had the COVID, you know? So yes. What are your thoughts? And I'd love you to share. Yeah. My first thought is that Australians made a big mistake when they gave up their guns in the nineties. You guys see why that was a bad idea now? Okay. Enough about that. You saw pitchforks use them now. Uh, what else can I say about COVID? look it's a real thing and there are some people out there saying you know viruses don't exist and it's true that the terrain in your body influences how viruses and bacteria and all show up but

52:34uh covid's a thing it's it's real and you don't want to get it right however the survival rate is ridiculously high for everyone and the highest risk average person is above i think it's above 70 or above 65, depending on whatever data I've looked at. And they're the risk rate. If you don't do anything about it to treat it and you have average, which is very poor health at that age, that the risk is like 5%, 5.3%. That's bad. Okay. And it's okay to acknowledge that.

53:08Now, my perspective on this is that every natural therapy, okay. I am, I am in touch with hundreds of high-end functional medicine doctors. I'm married to an emergency room doctor from Stockholm. These are not crazy people. These are some of the best doctors in the world, and they are outraged that their medical boards have banned them from talking about treatments that they know work. I have talked with respiratory experts who have 30 years of emergency room experience saying, why am I not allowed to do anything

53:40that I know works for any generic virus? So there is clearly bad stuff happening. There is manipulation of our consciousness around COVID. But COVID is real. It's just the survival rate is very high. The amount of damage to our society is shockingly high for making children wear masks. Because as your child, you learn to identify 10,000 different facial expressions. Is someone flirting with you or are they about to rape you? Well, you learn how to identify a threat when you're 10 or 12 or 9.

54:14I don't know what age. But when you can't see anything but someone's eyes, it is toxic for neurological development. And how dare anyone try and make kids do something to protect older people that harms the kids for life. So what do we do to make ourselves more resilient? There was very clear, super clear evidence, eight times less chance of being hospitalized from having adequate levels of vitamin D. By the way, that is better odds than any major pharmaceutical treatment that they are selling right now.

54:47OK, so for the eight trillion dollars the U.S. government has spent, they could have bought vitamin D for the next 20 years for every person on the planet. This is how stupid our response has been, except that's not why the government response is what it is. It cannot be. It is orchestrated. It is global and it is incredibly absurd what we're doing. for the level of danger. If this was Ebola, if 30% of people were dying, if emergency rooms actually filled up, which they almost never have, it would be a different story. So I'm not saying

55:18that you want to get COVID. I was pretty sick for 10 days. I did not like how I felt. I have been much sicker. And some people do have long-term problems with all viruses. It's a normal thing. And these are very hackable long-term things. The fact that many posts, including my post about something called interleukin six that I wrote two weeks into the pandemic. Uh, well it, uh, it was taken down and many of my posts have been censored. I've been shadow banned for talking

55:50about not even ivermectin, uh, which apparently seemed to work in India, but doesn't work in North America and probably doesn't work in Australia. It's weird. Um, okay, so fine. Uh, don't talk about that, but the basic vitamin stuff like that. So the number one thing you can do if you don't want to die from any cause is be metabolically mostly fit, which means don't eat those bad omega-6 liquid seed oils and have enough vitamin D. If you just do those two things, you're going to be way healthier than you would have been. And that's it. If you just do those,

56:22you're not average. The average risk is this. Your risk is eight times lower. Your risk is so low that you should worry about drowning and you should learn martial arts to protect yourself from potential, you know, people with batons coming after you or something. I don't really know, but it becomes vanishingly small. And you start looking at like the mass of your car in case you run into someone you want to be in the heavier car, because that actually really does matter. So just lower your risk so that you're not average. But in this case, the average risk, if you're older, it's not great.

56:53You know, 5% is not okay. So if you're there, I would say if you're, if you're at that age, I identify as something called Vy curious, vaccine industry curious. I'm totally open to vaccines. I have vaccines, right? And I think you look at the neurological, you go to the immune system risk of an individual person, and then you look at the risk of getting a disease with side effects and dying and all that stuff. You work with a doctor and the doctor says, this is worth doing. Or the doctor says, that's actually probably not a good idea. It's not medically advisable.

57:24And you say, hey, you don't have to do it. I support that a hundred percent. And I support schools saying, these are the list of vaccines you need to get unless they might kill you because you're sick, because you have a disability. And at that point, we support those members of society who have immune system disabilities and say, all right, it's OK, because if the vaccines work, which apparently they do, we don't have polio anymore. Then maybe it's OK if someone doesn't have the polio vaccine, if it was very high risk for them. So all I'm saying here is mandates are evil. And if you are subject to one, if you get any mandated medical treatment, your risk is not average. Your risk is your risk. And if you have a history of severe anaphylaxis, like maybe, maybe you should be ready for whatever happens. But here's the deal. Most people get COVID live. Most people get the vaccine live. So it's okay to be curious. It's okay to be not fearful. And it's okay to think about it. It's okay to make either decision.

58:19but it's your decision. And anyone who makes you make a decision at gunpoint or by taking away your job, they're evil. And that's how it is. And, um, that's such a fabulous point. And I really quite like that. Um, just a quick one of the vitamin D is that sun or is that a supplement? Can you just go to get vitamin D or do you have to actually, even in Australia? And I love Australia. I love visiting there. People are so interested in health and there's good grass fed butter available and there's grass-fed beef and like I really appreciate Australia it's been a

58:51bulletproof stronghold forever so even there you spend a lot of time in the sun you're gonna spend so much time in the sun that you're getting skin aging and increased risk of skin cancer by the way no Sun increases your risk of skin cancer a lot but if you're spending four hours a day with your shirt off every day in Australia's hot Sun you probably still won't have enough vitamin D and that's because of changes in what we eat unless you eat a lot of egg yolks and butter, saturated fat helps with making vitamin D, you probably won't. So what it means is supplementing almost for everyone, but your vitamin D receptor genes

59:27can vary so greatly that in fact, you might need four times more vitamin D than the person sitting next to you. And there's no way to tell by looking at you unless, well, if you have dark skin, you need more by definition, but I need about as much vitamin D as the average, very dark skin, like a black person would need because they have the vitamin D receptor genes that just don't work very well. right and the reason if you have dark skin you need more is that your skin filters out the sunlight so you don't make as much vitamin d per hour in the sun good news is you don't get sunburns either so there's that and so basically um so people like if they want to know they go and

01:00:00they get like some bloods and they just get their tests and they just can can can see yeah i don't know how australia does the numbers the american metrics would be you want it to be between about 70 and 90 but i don't remember what the metrics you can google that and for most people it's a thousand I use of vitamin D for every 25 pounds of body weight. And I know my metrics are wrong there, but you can convert. There's Google. There's Google. There's people listening to this podcast. We've, we're pretty resourceful. So a thousand I use per 25 pounds of body weight

01:00:31and get a lab test whenever you can, because those numbers may be substantially off for you. Right. Dave, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. This has been such a great conversation about things that everyone should know and also just what kind of like you're doing right now and also, you know, so what people can do to be more productive at home, at work, improve their sleep. And what's interesting and I love is like quite a lot of it isn't supplements, it's not that, it's actually the environment around you.

01:01:01It's actually the decisions, what you put into your body, of what you do. And then there's all the other things which you can kind of enhance it with, but it's something that everybody can do, which is really, really great. Yeah. Um, supplements are the frosting on the cake. They can be expensive. They work. Yeah. And I, I just want to say, uh, for all my friends in Australia and people I haven't met, but we know what's going on over there in the rest of the world. Uh, and I'm sorry it's happening and stay strong and, uh, keep your pitchforks handy. Um,

01:01:32do not back down. And, uh, if you look what I'm posting on Instagram, uh, Dave dot Asprey, I'm posting about what's going on over there. So keep up the protests. Do not let this happen in your country. Thank you for saying that. Yeah, that's very much appreciated. Now, just quickly, if there was like a specific action that the listeners of this podcast should take, a site to visit, somewhere to subscribe to, you know, something to check out, what would you like them to do? Well, if you're a podcast listener and you like Alex's show,

01:02:06you'll probably like mine. It's called the human upgrade. It's got a quarter billion downloads, top whatever, some slight percentage on iTunes. That's a really good one. And if you go to Dave Asprey.com, you can sign up for my newsletter and I'll send you the stuff. Also on Telegram, there is all sorts of truthful stuff about what's going on in Australia and elsewhere on Telegram. There's also a lot of batshit crazy stuff, but many of my posts have been taken down on Instagram and Facebook. They are deleting content left and right. It's heavily filtered right now. But Telegram is wild and free and there I'm Asprey official. So I'd love to see

01:02:39you guys on there where we can have a real conversation about what works and what doesn't. Awesome. Dave, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It's been such a great conversation and we'll talk soon. All right. Thank you, Alex. Thanks. Thanks for listening to the Growth Manifesto podcast. If you enjoyed the episode, please give us a five-star rating on iTunes. For more episodes, please visit growthmanifesto.com forward slash podcast. And if you need help driving growth for your company, please get in touch with us at webprofits.io.